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    [thread started by KNIGHTMARE on Tue 10/6 19:15 ET]
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from KNIGHTMARE
on Tue 10/6 19:15 ET
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*Do you think Klinsman should be fired if the U. S. Loses to
Mexico on Saturday?

I have not felt Jurgen has done anything exceptional.
Average outcome in last WC. (Nothing we haven't done
before.)
Poor/Horrible showing in Gold Cup. (Nothing we haven't done
before).
Mexico seems to be all over the place, and if we lose,
Especially if we get smoked, then I agree with Donovan and
say he is not performing any better than another coach and
let's start looking slash dumping.
Even if we just squeak out a win, I am not sold on him being a
great coach. Just haven't seen anything extraordinary that
another coach couldn't have accomplished.
He was good enough, but perhaps it's time to move on!
I don't want Bradley back but he accomplished much more
than Klinsey ever did.
IMO
ps I never liked the guy-gotta be honest.
from Stormin Union
on Tue 10/6 21:08 ET
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I think he should be fired if we lose the game, his coaching
decisions during the gold cup were lousy and I think we will
struggle during qualifying if he is still coach (actually we
struggled during the last qualifying cycle as well). When Arena
and Bradley were at the helm we didn't have much trouble
getting through qualifying but now we do, and we shouldn't.
Just because someone was a great player doesn't mean that
they will be a great or even a good coach. An example was
South Korea's coach Bo in the last World Cup, great player but
not a good coach as their results showed. I think Klinsmann is
the same, great player but not a good coach. Hoping the
players can still make it happen in this game though and we
get the victory, I think they can do it. Have a great time Jeff
and Ben at the game, sold out rose bowl atmosphere should
be awesome.
from FC Byrd Turgler
on Tue 10/6 22:11 ET
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So here's my two cents.

Pros: Expanded the talent pool greatly...particularly with dual-nationals of german extraction (some more helpful than others) Won the last Gold Cup. Finished top of group in CONCACAf WC qualifying last section. Got the team out of the group of death in Brazil. Would have gone to the QF (and beyond?) if Wondo score the sitter against Belgium. Which brings me to...

Cons: Brought Wondo to the World Cup instead of Landon Donovan. Or Brad Davis for LD. Or Julian Green for LD. Or whatever. Taken a step further, his roster selection is consistently maddening. He had a year to develop some replacements with his deeper pool, and yet, there's still a solid chance we see a diminishing Beckerman starting on Saturday. And that isn't even the worst of it.

If Tim Ream starts at left back on Saturday, I'll probably jump off of the top of the Rose Bowl. If you want to play him in the middle, fine, I guess. At best, he's #8 in the centerback pecking order, but if you think you can afford the luxury of Ream's ball skills at the expense of his lead feet (hello Brad Evans!), you're the boss.

But if you want to play him at leftback for a repeat of one of the 5 worst performances at the position in USMNT history (and I remember some lousy ones), then you're fired. You're fired for playing someone out of position whose ceiling out of position will still get you beat by an inferior performance. No speed, no quickness, no attacking threat to mention- chants of 'puto' raining down on you after you've spotted 3 to el Tri whilst the golf claps cheer you on to retirement. Quirky selection is a sign of ego. Win and you're a genius. Lose and you're heckled. Ream and you get reamed, and you probably deserve worse.
from FC Byrd Turgler
on Tue 10/6 22:30 ET
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And for the Ream fan boys, do you realize that Bolton finished worse every year that he was there? Fulham, currently 13th, finished 17th last year, so maybe this will finally be the year his team in England finishes higher than the year before.

All of this isn't just to say I can't believe Ream is on the team (although, I really can't). It's more about players like Feilhaber, Hedges, etc who can't get a sniff while Klinsmann feels good about running this stiff out at left back. I have no argument for JK's drunken dartboard roster selections. If the results are poor this weekend, then fire his ass now.
from FC Byrd Turgler
on Tue 10/6 23:05 ET
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Then again, Jordan Morris...he's been really, really good. Anybody familiar with Bink from the Piers Anthony books?
from KNIGHTMARE
on Tue 10/6 23:09 ET
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I don't understand the constant tinkering? When will a team be
finally chosen? And his ego is bigger than TRUMP'S! That
may be good when your winning but horrible when it goes
south.
Not having Donovan on that WC team was BS, totally
personal. Don't tell me he was a liability?
Will Howard start? Oh wait, he needed time off.
I believe we have plenty of talent, we are no longer a
wasteland of skills. So with that thought, I believe the "pros" of
Klinsman would have happened with any competent coach.

from Newport FC
on Tue 10/6 23:11 ET
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I agree that he should be canned if we lose.
While it's easy to blame Wondo for missing that
goal, it was Howard that kept us in the game to
begin with...not any exceptional coaching. In
fact, I think we played much too defensively when
you consider how we played the first three group
matches.

I also think a new coach should come in for every
WC cycle just to keep things fresh. Even Arena
ended up taking too many of the "old band" in his
second trip.

I'd like to see Brek Shea get healthy again and be
a solid left attacking back for us.
from KNIGHTMARE
on Tue 10/6 23:20 ET
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I don't understand the constant tinkering? When will a team be
finally chosen? And his ego is bigger than TRUMP'S! That
may be good when your winning but horrible when it goes
south.
Not having Donovan on that WC team was BS, totally
personal. Don't tell me he was a liability?
Will Howard start? Oh wait, he needed time off.
I believe we have plenty of talent, we are no longer a
wasteland of skills. So with that thought, I believe the "pros" of
Klinsman would have happened with any competent coach.

from FC Byrd Turgler
on Tue 10/6 23:33 ET
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Here's another reason I'd fire JK. Keeps bringing in Ream. Via Twitter:

@MLSTransfers Hedges had a Canadian grandmother and is looking to make the switch even though he played a friendly for USA in Feb.2015
from Arrows SC
on Wed 10/7 5:04 ET
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I've been disappointed. It appears now that his success with the German team was more due to his assistant, Joachim Lw, as the technician, leaving Klinsmann to be the cheerleader.

I particularly don't like it that he'll go to the ends of the earth (starting with the ends of Germany) looking for dual-nationals, while overlooking much of what MLS-grown US talent has to offer.

I think it's time to move on.
from Dynamo Salem
on Wed 10/7 15:37 ET
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When you consider his salary and the advantages he has had over the previous three American coaches of the US national team, Klinsmann as far as the coaching part goes has been a complete disaster.
from FC Byrd Turgler
on Thu 10/8 14:30 ET
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And yet, he's never lost to Mexico. I'm sure I'm not the only one who didn't know or had forgotten that fact. That's a pretty big check in the 'Pro' column. Think Mack Brown would still be coach at Texas if he had a winning record against OU?
from Mohawks
on Thu 10/8 17:21 ET
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Not saying Klinsy is amazing or terrible, but rather I'm annoyed at media, soccer sites, etc being so fickle with him. When he left LD off the roster he was brutally criticized (and I do disagree it was wrong looking back). When we got out of the group everyone praised him. When we beat both Germany and Netherlands (I don't care that they were friendlies) we all praised him. When we bombed at the Gold Cup we all hated him. When we got a result in Azteca we all praised him. Outside of the Gold Cup result, I don't see a significant reason to blame him for anything bad. We were 1st in WCQ in the hex, we haven't ever lost to Mexico as FCBT mentioned, we are getting results in Europe, our youth program has seemed to develop, we got out of the group of death at the World Cup and at least had an entertaining match against Belgium who are incredible, and so on. Is he a legend or great? No. But I think firing a coach over one summer (and this game) is a bad decision too. Once again, I'm not a fan of his necessarily but I just don't agree completely this game is everything for his career and that he's this terrible coach.
from Mohawks
on Thu 10/8 18:53 ET
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I will say that for the money were paying him, that's a different
argument...
from Weirder Bremen
on Thu 10/8 22:06 ET
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The money they're paying him might not be a big
issue. They're going to take in a pretty nice
chunk of change this weekend.

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